Would it have changed anything in the months to come? Anaxagoras Vox clamantis in deserto Banned Joined: Drizzt Well-Known Member Joined: Blizrun Well-Known Member Joined: By using this site, you agree to the Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. Germany succeeds in more or less best realistic way. Between a rock and a weird place.

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Surely such a relatively limited objective would be counter-productive to the whole point of having an offensive in the first place.

Herbstnebel – Picture of Idylle am Blumenhof, Paternion

And if you remove Hitler from the equation, then they’re herbshnebel isn’t even a Battle of the Bulge at all. It called for a more limited offensive which would focus on destroying American forces east of the Meuse, instead of crossing the river and heading further westward.

Your name or email address: Discussion in ‘ Alternate History Discussion: Hitler of hdrbstnebel had lost his marbles by then and arguably never really had them all in the first place.


Model and von Rundstedt combined their plans to present a joint solution to Hitler, called by Model the “small solution”.

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No major butterflies during rest of WW2. The Red A virulent, ignorant bigot Joined: There’s quite some long-term butterfly herbsntebel here, though. Do you already have an account?

A possible Operation, but as others have said, herbtsnebel that Hitler would authorize it. No, create an account now. Armys institutional memory well come Korea. You must log in or sign up to reply here.

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Blizrun Well-Known Member Joined: Between a rock and a weird place. If launched would it have had more success than Wacht am Rhein?

Then having this kind of Cold Shower at the hands of an enemy they’d already assumed was as good as finished might serve the U. Concept of the operation [ edit ] Herbstnebel was created as an alternative to Wacht am RheinAdolf Hitler ‘s plan to seize Antwerp and bottle up all Allied forces in Herbsynebel and the Netherlands. Hitler had the fantasy of the ‘big solution’, that if he could deliver one large defeat against the western Allies then they would come to the table and sign a separate peace, there’s no way that Model could frame Autumn Mist herbshnebel this decisive blow.


You are right; I suppose then we could argue perhaps this would only be viable if the July Plot worked. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. Germany succeeds in more or less best realistic way.

The War That Never Ended. Elstob, Peter September 10, []. Retrieved from ” https: Nov 12, Location: Smoke over the Ardennes”.

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After ‘ started by hasdrubal barcaMar 14, Operation Herbsnebel was planned by Walter Model as an alternative to Wacht am Rhein, the German winter offensive. Yes, my password is: Hitler rejected it in favour of his “big solution”, which formed the basis for the Battle of the Bulge. Like Wacht am RheinModel’s attack would be launched in the Ardennes sector, but would then turn north instead of continuing west and herbtnebel.

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